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Is it a good decision to upgrade from Dzire diesel to Ecosport diesel

Hidden behind this query is the ever growing popularity of compact SUVs, which today is driven by Ecosport. Car buyers are understanding this trend, with Brezza being the new addition from Maruti in this egment. Comparing a sedan to a compact SUV was just unthinkable just a few years back.


I have been driving Dzire for some 6 years now, plan to upgrade to the Ecosport diesel, is it a good decision. Pls advice.


Is it a good decision to upgrade from Dzire diesel to Ecosport diesel

Visitor
I have a 6 years old Swift ZDI model it has run 1Lakh Kms already and till now Ii have not got any problem, I love to drive my car it has no problem. Now I want to upgrade it as I think if I drag it more i will not get good resale value. Currently I a m getting 2.5 lakh resale value but i think it cas easily fetch 3lakh.  I want to buy Eco sport Titanium diesel, this is my query.


Agent
 Good thoughts on both count.


Visitor
So pls advise should I continue to drive my Dzire and wait for 1 more year, or is it right time to upgrade it. How much normally Swift Dzire diesel engine like to last. I think it is much refined to go beyond 2lakh kms. How long Maruti Diesel engine can last. Please advise.


Agent
When you want to upgrade is completely a personal call, I would look at moving on within 6 to 7 years. It does not matter to me personally in terms of cars capability to go on and on.


Visitor
Already completed 6 years in Decmeber it almost 6 years 4 month now., till now i have not a single complaint of my car.


Agent
That's why I said decent idea on both counts that is upgrade to Ecosport diesel or hold on to Dzire.


Visitor
I took care of it very good used a premium engine oils preferred over engine oils. Maruti use in service centres.  I  am only asking that should I continue to use my car or this is good time to update it, considering now 2nd hand car falls faster.


Agent
As already indicated above 6-7 years is a good time to move on. I would do so.


Visitor
And what is your views for Ecosport.


Agent
I have been driving one for last 16 mths and I love it everyday.


Visitor
Any better option at this price. Any problem faced any personal issue you ever encountered though in 2 years car usually do not give any problems. How is performance suspension etc fuel economy.


Agent
Suspension Tight - rear seat ride a bit uncomfortable.
Car behaves well on road even at speed though with caution, some amount of roll is seen but nothing fatal. It’s an out an out driver’s car. I am getting a decent 15 Kms with AC in City.  On highway it climbs to 17 Kms.


Visitor
So the fuel economy is almost same  as dzire.


Agent
I don't know about Dzire, buy since you have been driving one for some time and since you are saying so.


Visitor
Yes in Delhi traffic also with AC it is giving me 15-16 and on highways it goes around 18. In start it gave me 20+ also.


Agent
Ok.


Visitor
I took a test drive of Ecosport and feel the drive seat are pretty narrow and not so comfortable and rear seats width also less though trunk space is ok,  this is what bothering me.


Agent
Ecosport at best is a 4 seater and I would assume all sub 4 meter car would have similar deliveries in terms of seating capacity.  Regarding front seat, I haven’t had any problems of it being narrow.


Visitor
But it width is more thn dzire.


Agent
Yes I believe a lot of it is getting consumed in really chunky doors.


Visitor
I am 6+ foot tall and good physical built so for me it felt bit short compared to Dzire as I got habit of it driving since 6 yrs. Do you have a better option for a 10lakh budget.


Agent
For you height and basis my experience I think Ecosport should do the job for you, you will realise only over time as to how easy it to to get in and out.  Plus once you drive it for long you will love every moment behind the wheel, it may not be the same for Dzire at least basis limited test drive experience that I have had with it.


Visitor
Yes that i know already but due to tight suspension the rear seat ride quality is compromised though it gave you benefit to tilt the rear seats too.


Agent
What I am sharing on Ecosport is basis my long experience.


Visitor
Ok as you drove it for 16 months can u please tell me how is the service costs for free and for paid ones. All knows Maruti cars service are very affordable.


Agent
Not reached in that time period yet.


Visitor
For paid service it cost me around 5-6K but when the time for changing the coolant or gear oil etc it goes upto 8000. Every 10K service is 5-6K and every 20K service is 8-9K.


Agent
I agree servicing it would be costlier than Maruti, but then it’s not going to be very expensive, unless you don't allow dealers to flinch you value added services.


Visitor
What is service frequency for eco sport every 10K.


Agent
Yes.


Visitor
How can i get idea for the service costs.


Agent
I can get back with periodic maintenance cost, on your mail.


Visitor
Ok that would be Ok.  But Maruti does not have any parts replacement in periodic replacement means they will replace a part when it gives problem. But other brands like Ford or  Cheverlet or Toyota etc have parts change also in periodic maintenance which is quite costly.


Agent
Hold let me look at it, I believe all cars makers have scheduled maintenance in which they do have defined parts replacement policy too, but let me specifically check from Dzire schedule.


Visitor
Ok pls check in last 6 years and 1 lakh kms nothing has been changed as yet,  related to engine parts  or timing belts etc. As you are also driving Ecosport can u tell me  which variant u use, Titanium or above?


Agent
Top end, Titanium optional.

Visitor
How is the sync app response.


Agent
Great.


Visitor
Does it response is good being Indian accent.


Agent
Yes its brilliant, however these days I am using my phone audio command function. Synch does have a accent problem.


Visitor
And is the internal rear view mirror is auto dimmer at night is in top end or it is a basic in all variants.


Agent
Not auto dimmer. Basic.


Visitor
In their brochure they told it is auto dimmer.


Agent
Maybe the new version has it as they have made some feature changes post new engine also.


Visitor
Also one problem which i read is that AC vents cannot be fully shut even if someone wants to shut any vent and how is the ac effectiveness.


Agent
You will have to hold your questions as I am checking the service details for Dzire.


Visitor
I think you can leave that as I have already much experienced with my Maruti Services. Can the ac vents be fully closed. How the ac performance in very hot conditions like summer afternoon when temperature shoots pto 45-48 degress. H
ow the AC effectiveness on the rear seats.

Agent
At 80 K they should have changed the water pump drive belt and spark plugs if your car is diesel version sorry petrol. If it was diesel no such change required. Now that's out of the way - great ac and have'nt faced ac vent closure problem.

 

Visitor
Ii asked a friend of mine he have som one in relation who owns a Ecosport and saying that Ecosport  is down in terms of comfort and driving pleasure compared to Dzire,  so many ppls many advices,  which make me more confuse.


Agent
Haven’t  understood your questions. Comfort in rear seat I have already told you, as far as driving pleasure is concerned, there not many cars which has excited me as much as Ecosport, to drive.


Visitor
Ii am saying all peoples have different views, but as you may not have used Dzire diesel you may not know difference in both drives.


Agent
I agree.


Visitor
So the guy used both Dzire and Ecosport Dieselmboth, and saying Dzire dive is much better and comfort also more better.


Agent
I have driven Dzire enough, but definitely not as much as you'll, however the big problem of Dzire diesel is the diesel lag, plus noise level which are much lower in Ecosport, power delivery thanks to near zero diesel lag in Ecosport is far more linear and smoother,  the same in case of any car is not so, I had driven a Manza which had similar but tweaked power plant under its hood.


 

Comparison: Dzire vs Ameo, October 25 2016.

AGENT                                                        Afternoon         

 

AGENT                                                        How can we assist you today? 

 

VISITOR                                                      I am planning for buy a car        

 

VISITOR                                                      but getting confused.. 

 

AGENT                                                        which car and what is the confusion     

 

VISITOR                                                      Which one will be the best swift Dzire VXI ABS or Volkswagen Ameo?

 

AGENT                                                        I will go with Ameo being new design as compared to older and aged Dzire     

 

VISITOR                                                      But if we see the feature Dzire inner Space and other things is good compare to Ameo              

 

AGENT                                                        which variants are we comparing           

 

VISITOR                                                      Dzire VXI ABS and comfort Ameo           

 

AGENT                                                        the best way to compare cabin space is to look at Wheel base which is 2470 mm in Ameo Vs 2430 Mm in Dzire                                            

 

AGENT                                                        Dzire gives you an illusion of space through it height which is at 1555 mm is taller than Ameo at 1482 mm                                                   

 

VISITOR                                                      Ya...My height is 5.11 inch ...due to this reason i am not felling comfort & i dont how is the result of Ameo and this is the 1st time i am going to purchase a care so it os important for me choose better and in Ameo but my friends is suggesting Ameo..So please help me         

 

AGENT                                                        Thanks to your height, Dzire seems like a good option thanks to its height which gives you a decent headroom                                

 

AGENT                                                        else you will feel claustrophobic, plus not good in case on any untoward event             

 

AGENT                                                        however, reasons your friends might be suggesting you Ameo is because it offers more features for a similar financial outflow, plus VW diesel have near zero turbo lag, making them more fun to drive than a Dzire         

 

AGENT                                                        relook at the comparison link  

 

AGENT                                                        http      //www.ecardlr.com/car-compare/Ameo-vs-amaze-vs-Dzire.aspx

 

VISITOR                                                      So if we left Ameo height it means Ameo is better option in compare to Dzire..??        

 

AGENT                                                        yes in terms of car age, drive quality Ameo over Dzire 

 

AGENT                                                        my preference too        

 

VISITOR                                                      Thanks ...I hope it's servicing and other part will not be costly in compare to Dzire        

 

AGENT                                                        yes they will be costly than Dzire, take that as a given, plus one has not heard good stories on parts for VW, so do check that also               

 

AGENT                                                        maybe things have changed     

 

AGENT                                                        anything else, or can I log out with your permission     

 

VISITOR                                                      ok thanks          

 

AGENT                                                        pleasure             

Comparison: Dzire vs Ecosport, April 26 2016.

VISITOR                                                      i was looking for some online expert from whom i can discuss

 

VISITOR                                                      i have a 6 years old Swift ZDI model it has run 1Lakh Kms already and till now i have not got any problem, i love to drive my car it has no problem. Now i want to upgrade it as i think if i drag it more i will not get good resale value.                                                                      

 

VISITOR                                                      current I’m getting 2.5 lakh resale values but i think it can easily fetch 3lakh     

 

VISITOR                                                      i want to buy Ecosport Titanium diesel 

 

VISITOR                                                      this is my query               

 

AGENT                                                        Good thoughts on both counts

 

VISITOR                                                      so please advise should i continue to drive my Dzire and wait for 1 more year, or is it right time to upgrade it                                                

 

VISITOR                                                      how much normally Swift Dzire Diesel engine like         

 

VISITOR                                                      i think it is much refined to go beyond 2lak kms              

 

VISITOR                                                      please advice   

 

VISITOR                                                      how long Maruti diesel engine can last               

 

AGENT                                                        When you want to upgrade is completely a personal call, I would look at moving on within 6 to 7 years                                                          

 

AGENT                                                        It does not matter to me personally in terms of cars capability to go on and on               

 

VISITOR                                                      already completed 6 years in December it almost 6 years 4 month now              

 

VISITOR                                                      and till now i have not a single complaint of my car      

 

AGENT                                                        That's why I said decent idea on both counts that is upgrade and Ecosport diesel           

 

VISITOR                                                      i took care of it very good used a premium engine oils preferred over engine oils Maruti use in service centres                                      

 

VISITOR                                                      i am only asking that should i continue to use my car or this is good time to update it considering now 2nd hand cr falls faster             

 

AGENT                                                        As already indicated above 6-7 years is a good time to move on, I would do so

 

VISITOR                                                      and what are your views for Ecosport?

 

AGENT                                                        I have been driving one for last 16 months and I love it everyday           

 

VISITOR                                                      any better option at this price 

 

VISITOR                                                      any problem faced any personal issue you ever encountered though in 2 years car usually do not give any problems                               

 

VISITOR                                                      how is performance suspension etc fuel economy        

 

AGENT                                                        Suspension Tight - rear seat ride a bit uncomfortable  

 

AGENT                                                        Car behaves well on road even at speed though with caution, some amount of role is seen but nothing fatal                                           

 

AGENT                                                        It’s an out an out driver car       

 

AGENT                                                        I am getting a decent 15 with AC in City              

 

AGENT                                                        On highway it climbs to 17        

 

VISITOR                                                      so the fuel economy is almost same     

 

VISITOR                                                      as Dzire              

 

AGENT                                                        I don't know about Dzire, buy since you have been driving one for some time and since you are saying so                                                  

 

VISITOR                                                      yes in Delhi traffic also with AC it is giving me 15-16 and in highways it goes around 18               

 

AGENT                                                        Ok        

 

VISITOR                                                      in start it gave me 20+ also         )

 

VISITOR                                                      i took a test drive and feel the drive seat are pretty narrow and not so comfortable and rear seats width also less though truck space is Ok    

 

VISITOR                                                      this is what bothering me          

 

AGENT                                                        Ecosport at best is a 4 seater and I would assume all sub 4 meter car would have similar deliveries in terms of seating capacity             

 

AGENT                                                        Regarding front seat, I have'nt any problems of it being narrow              

 

VISITOR                                                      but it width is more than Dzire

 

AGENT                                                        Yes I believe a lot of it is getting consumed in really chunky doors        

 

VISITOR                                                      i am 6+ foot tall and good physical built so for me it felt bit short comapred to Dzire as i got habit of it driving since 6 yrs                       

 

VISITOR                                                      do you have a better option for a 10lakh budget             

 

AGENT                                                        For you height and basis my experience I think Ecosport should do the job for you, you will realise only over time as to how easy it to to get in and out            

 

AGENT                                                        Plus once you drive it for long you will love every moment behind the wheel, it may not be the same for Dzire at least basis limited test drive experience that I have had with it 

 

VISITOR                                                      yes that i know already but due to tight suspension the rear seat ride quality is compromised though it gave you benefit to tilt the rear seats too             

 

AGENT                                                        What I am sharing on Ecosport is basis my long exp       

 

VISITOR                                                      ok as you drove it for 16 months can you please tell me how is the srvice costs for free and for paid ones                                                 

 

VISITOR                                                      all knows Maruti cars service are very affordable           

 

AGENT                                                        Not reached in that time period yet     

 

VISITOR                                                      for paid service it cost me around 5-6K but when the time for changing the coolant or gear oil etc. it goes upto8000                                   

 

VISITOR                                                      every 10K service is 5-6K and every 20K service is 8-9K

 

AGENT                                                        I agree servicing it would be costlier than Maruti, but then its not going to be very expensive, unless you don't allow dealers to filch you Value added services  

 

VISITOR                                                      what is service frequency for eco sport every 10K          

 

AGENT                                                        yes       

 

VISITOR                                                      how can i get idea for the service costs               

 

AGENT                                                        I can get back with periodic maintenance cost, on your mail     

 

VISITOR                                                      ok that would be Ok     

 

VISITOR                                                      but Maruti does not have any parts replacement periodic replacement means they will replace a part when it gives problem              

 

VISITOR                                                      but other brands like Ford or  Chevrolet or Toyota etc. have parts change also in periodic maintenance which is quite costly               

 

AGENT                                                        Hold let me look at it, I believe all cars makers have scheduled maintenance in which they do have defined parts replacement policy too, but let me specifically check from Dzire schedule       

 

VISITOR                                                      ok please check in last 6 years and 1 lakh kms nothing has been changed as yet              

 

VISITOR                                                      related to engine parts               

 

VISITOR                                                      or timing belts etc         

 

AGENT                                                        Ok        

 

AGENT                                                        please hold      

 

VISITOR                                                      as you are also driving Ecosport can you tell em which variant you use

 

VISITOR                                                      titanium or above?       

 

AGENT                                                        Top end             

 

AGENT                                                        titanium optional          

 

VISITOR                                                      how is the sync app response  

 

AGENT                                                        Great   

 

VISITOR                                                      does it response benign use it with India accent            

 

AGENT                                                        yes its brilliant, however these days I am using my phone audio command function    

 

AGENT                                                        Synch does have a accent prob

 

VISITOR                                                      and is the internal rear view mirror is auto dimmer at night is in top end or it is a basic in all variants                                                     

 

AGENT                                                        not auto dimmer           

 

AGENT                                                        basic    

 

VISITOR                                                      in their brochure they told it is auto dimmer    

 

AGENT                                                        Maybe the new version has it as they have made some feature changes post new engine also                                                                     

 

VISITOR                                                      also one problem which i read is that AC vents cannot be fully shut even if someone wants to shut any vent                                         

 

VISITOR                                                      and how is the ac effectiveness               

 

AGENT                                                        you will have to hold your questions as I am checking the service details for Dzire        

 

VISITOR                                                      i think you can leave that as i have already much experience with my Maruti services 

 

VISITOR                                                      1. can the ac vents be fully closed          

 

VISITOR                                                      2. how the ac performance in very hot conditions like summer afternoon when temperature shoots up to 45-48 degrees              

 

VISITOR                                                      3. how the AC effectiveness on the rear seats  

 

AGENT                                                        at 8o K they should have changed the water pump drive belt and spark plugs if your car is diesel version                                                      

 

AGENT                                                        sorry petrol      

 

AGENT                                                        If it was diesel no such change required             

 

AGENT                                                        now that's out of the way - great ac and haven’t faced ac vent closure problem              

 

AGENT                                                        anything else  

 

VISITOR                                                      thanks

 

VISITOR                                                      i asked a frend of mine he have someone in relation who owns a Ecosport and saying that co sports is down in terms of comfort and driving pleasurer compared to Ecosports  

 

VISITOR                                                      so many people many advices 

 

VISITOR                                                      which make me more confuse                 )

 

AGENT                                                        haven’t understood your questions      

 

AGENT                                                        comfort in rear seat I have already told you, as far as driving pleasure is concerned, There not many cars which has excited me as much as Ecosport, to drive       

 

VISITOR                                                      i am saying all people have different views      

 

VISITOR                                                      but as you may not have used Dzire diesel you may not know difference in both drives             

 

AGENT                                                        I agree

 

VISITOR                                                      so the guy used both Dzire and Ecosport diesel both, and saying Dzire dive is much better and comfort also more better                 

 

AGENT                                                        I have driven Dzire enough, but definitely not as much as you'll, however the big problem of Dzire diesel is the diesel lag, plus noise level which are much lower in Ecosport   

 

AGENT                                                        power delivery thanks to near zero diesel lag in Ecosport is far more linear and smoother        

 

AGENT                                                        the same in case of any car is not so, I had driven a manza which had similar but tweaked power plant under its hood                           

 

VISITOR                                                      what i thinks to have 2-3 test drives before going for it               

 

AGENT                                                        yes do an exhaustive test drive and its always advisable            

 

AGENT                                                        when do you plan to buy this car            

 

VISITOR                                                      but the dealers do not gave a extended drive test always take city good road to drive 

 

VISITOR                                                      if i get a good resale than i will change in 1 -2 months  

 

AGENT                                                        which part of Delhi       

 

VISITOR                                                      need to know how it handles the potholes       

 

VISITOR                                                      I am in Noida   

 

VISITOR                                                      office is in Noida           

 

VISITOR                                                      and i stay in Faridabad

 

AGENT                                                        No promises, but let check from one of the dealers I know, if he agrees, I will send you a mail latest by tom, if you do not get one from me then assume that I have not be successful in arranging an exhaustive test drive        

 

VISITOR                                                      ok sir thank you for your help  

 

AGENT                                                        pleasure            

 

VISITOR                                                      1 last   

 

VISITOR                                                      resale for Hyundai and Maruti's are good           

 

VISITOR                                                      what about Ford            

 

AGENT                                                        I have only one answer for that, it's so ironical that we think of selling our new car even before buying it, in my opinion resale should not matter if one has enjoyed the car for 6-7 years, it should be a bonus     

 

VISITOR                                                      compare same situation my Dzire cost 7 lakh 6 years back now after 6 yrs and driven 1 lakh it still can give 2.5 lakh resales                    

 

VISITOR                                                      what for similar condition fird 

 

AGENT                                                        unfortunately, I won't be able to help regarding resale value as I am not competent enough to quote a figure                                        

 

VISITOR                                                      ok thanks for your valuable inputs        

 

AGENT                                                        pleasure             

Comparison: Dzire vs Amaze vs Aspire February 27 2016.

VISITOR
I have a plan to buy a car 
but having confusion where to go. Swift Desire, Honda Amaze and Figo Aspire. Plan to go with diesel variant. I’m from Chennai. Please suggestion.

Agent
What are your top 3 requirements?


VISITOR
Economical, budget, Looks.


Agent
Is this your first or second car?


VISITOR
First car. 

Agent

in order of suggestion....Dzire then Amaze and last Ford...However these are suggestion. .do drive all before final decision.

VISITOR
Can I know y you prefer Dzire as first. A
maze as second and Ford as third. Any reason

 

Agent
Yes ....tested car with controlled cost of ownership...relatively better resale. O
n most parameters all cars are at par.

VISITOR
Ok. O
ne more suggestion needed. Swift vs Dzire what was the major difference other than boot space.

 

Agent
Not much. slightly better inner space slightly differently tuned engine and small features.


VISITOR
Thanks.

 

 

Comparison: Creta vs Ecosport vs i20 Active, December 9 2015.

VISITOR
I am based in Mumbai, just a bit confused between 3 cars for my personal use. M
y daily running is in city itself, won’t be more than 10-12 kms. Ecosport, Creta and new Hyundai i20-Active. Do you have any other option to suggest to begin with?

AGENT
What is your budget?


VISITOR
I am ok up to 12lacs. C
an increase a bit if required.

AGENT
i20 Active appears to be very different among others as being a crossover, but still it does have its fair share of similarities compared to other options. C
ould you tell us what are your basis of comparison?

VISITOR
Looks of the car, brand and performance.


AGENT
Okay!


VISITOR
Also wanted to check I am getting a 2nd hand Ecosport of 2015 itself, used for 6000kms only, 1.5Ti-VCT Titanium (AT) Petrol for 10lacs. 
is it worth the price?

 

AGENT
In terms of look, the Hyundai i20 Active gets certain SUV-like elements such as the black cladding, faux skid plates, increased ground clearance, roof rails, etc but still It doesn’t have the road presence of an SUV, Overall, i would suggest you the Hyundai Creta, looks more of an SUV than the i20 Active. Dashboard appears slightly more premium and better designed. P
erformance, again Creta will undoubtedly be our pick, It has 123 PS / 6400 Rpm power and 151 NM (15.4 Kgm) / 4850 Rpm torque and engine line-up is good enough for most conditions.

 

VISITOR
I would love to go for Creta, but the waiting period is almost 6 months, which kills the excitement. 


AGENT
I'd rather wait for it.  The Hyundai i20 Active might be much cheaper than the Hyundai Creta, but Creta offers a lot more in terms of appearance, space, interiors, engines, transmissions, etc. B
ut if there are time constraints then it makes more sense to go for the Ford Ecosport. 

VISITOR
Also wanted to check I am getting a 2nd hand eco sport of 2015 itself, used for 6000kms only, 1.5Ti-VCT Titanium (AT) Petrol for 10lacs.

 

AGENT
We're currently not into used car valuation business, but still i feel it is a worth buying. I
f it is in a very good condition.

 

VISITOR
Ok...

 

VISITOR
Thanks for your support

 

AGENT
Our pleasure sir, All the best for your new wheels.

 

VISITOR
Do u have any other car to suggest part from the above 3 which i said?

 

AGENT
Duster and Terrano, but it might not fulfill all your requirements i guess.

 

VISITOR
Hmmm that’s true

 

VISITOR
So I guess I stick to Creta or Ecosport

 

AGENT
Yup! But Still I would suggest doing a test drive of both the SUVs.


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  • I m confused about Renault Duster RxE or Ford Ecosport which one is good.

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  • In march 2016, I had same confusion for ecosport. In march, I met a person, who had Dzire zdi for many years and then replaced it with Ecosport titanium diesel. He had used Ecosport for more than one year till march/2016. So, I took his advice. He told me that many Ecosport users complain about suspension, if they require to face speed breakers frequently in their livelihood. He personally told me that he regrets buying Ecosport. And adviced me to buy maruti product for better suspension to deal with typical indian roads. So, I bought Maruti Ciaz diesel and I am completely satisfied with it. Now after using Ciaz for 3 months, I am saying that if a person is habituated of driving Maruti car, then it will be hard to be comfortable in ecosport because of suspension setup for speed breakers. I personally recommend Maruti Ciaz, Dzire, Vitara Brezza and Swift for their respective price range. For suspension and pick up, Ciaz feels same as New Dzire.

    So, if you use Dzire and want to upgrade upto 10 lacs, then there are two better options available according to your need : 1. ciaz 2. Vitara Brezza. Moreover, if you are from Delhi, then recently excise duty cut on hybrid car can benefit you if you want to buy Ciaz diesel. And according to news, Ciaz diesel being hybrid will be exempted from odd-even rule. I am getting fuel efficiency around 15 in city and 23-24 on highway. On overall 3000 km, it says average fuel economy of 19.2 km/l.

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